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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://fredmcclimans.com/2011/01/20/professional-services-do-you-know-the-difference/#comment-287</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 02:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred McClimans</title>
		<link>http://fredmcclimans.com/2011/01/20/professional-services-do-you-know-the-difference/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred McClimans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve - I appreciate your feedback and insight on the approach that Alcatel-Lucent has taken to Professional Services. All too often, vendors treat Professional Services (especially pre-sale) as a means to generate more business for their own products, rather than generating revenue through quality services provided to the end-consumer community. Pre-sales support, IMHO, isn&#039;t Professional Services if it is just an enhanced sales tactic. I&#039;m glad to see you are taking the right approach and would be interested in hearing just how often your team works with other vendor&#039;s equipment, and not just your own gear. If your goal, and financial compensation structure - isn&#039;t based around selling your own product, you are indeed providing a Professional Service.

Thanks again for the feedback. - Fred]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211; I appreciate your feedback and insight on the approach that Alcatel-Lucent has taken to Professional Services. All too often, vendors treat Professional Services (especially pre-sale) as a means to generate more business for their own products, rather than generating revenue through quality services provided to the end-consumer community. Pre-sales support, IMHO, isn&#8217;t Professional Services if it is just an enhanced sales tactic. I&#8217;m glad to see you are taking the right approach and would be interested in hearing just how often your team works with other vendor&#8217;s equipment, and not just your own gear. If your goal, and financial compensation structure &#8211; isn&#8217;t based around selling your own product, you are indeed providing a Professional Service.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the feedback. &#8211; Fred</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Loudermilk</title>
		<link>http://fredmcclimans.com/2011/01/20/professional-services-do-you-know-the-difference/#comment-264</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Loudermilk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Fred-Very interesting post.  As you know I run media and analyst relations for Alcatel-Lucent&#039;s Services Group, which is ranked No. 2 or 3 in the industry, according to many analyst firms.  

I strongly believe the &quot;value-based&quot; professional services model is gaining lots of traction in the industry.

As early as 2000, our company was bundling professional services -- installation, deployment, assessments, consulting -- into commoditized product sales.  We decided to go forgo this strategy and go to a more efficient &quot;multi-vendor, vendor-agnostic&quot; fee-based model.   

This model and our Professional Services philosophy has always been to serve our customers first with a variety of &quot;value-added&quot; services so they can design, build and integrate more efficient and reliable networks.

Professional Services is not a product -- it&#039;s all about selling people, processes and tools.  In essence it&#039;s your knowledge and expertise you are trying to sell to your customers.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Fred-Very interesting post.  As you know I run media and analyst relations for Alcatel-Lucent&#8217;s Services Group, which is ranked No. 2 or 3 in the industry, according to many analyst firms.  </p>
<p>I strongly believe the &#8220;value-based&#8221; professional services model is gaining lots of traction in the industry.</p>
<p>As early as 2000, our company was bundling professional services &#8212; installation, deployment, assessments, consulting &#8212; into commoditized product sales.  We decided to go forgo this strategy and go to a more efficient &#8220;multi-vendor, vendor-agnostic&#8221; fee-based model.   </p>
<p>This model and our Professional Services philosophy has always been to serve our customers first with a variety of &#8220;value-added&#8221; services so they can design, build and integrate more efficient and reliable networks.</p>
<p>Professional Services is not a product &#8212; it&#8217;s all about selling people, processes and tools.  In essence it&#8217;s your knowledge and expertise you are trying to sell to your customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Marjorie Clayman</title>
		<link>http://fredmcclimans.com/2011/01/20/professional-services-do-you-know-the-difference/#comment-263</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marjorie Clayman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No no, I love having my brain turned into a pretzel! It means you&#039;re taking my brain to places never visited before. Good stuff :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No no, I love having my brain turned into a pretzel! It means you&#8217;re taking my brain to places never visited before. Good stuff <img src="http://fredmcclimans.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Fred McClimans</title>
		<link>http://fredmcclimans.com/2011/01/20/professional-services-do-you-know-the-difference/#comment-262</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred McClimans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marjie - I didn&#039;t mean to morph your brain into a pretzel (that was clearly NOT my intent). But I appreciate your comments and the issue you raised of services that create things. Like you mentioned above, there are a number of business services (like marketing) that often have very concrete and detailed deliverables that could be considered real, tangible, products - but they are just the natural outcome of the ideas and creativity (your Professional Expertise) that you are bringing to the table. 

What this illustrates is that the line between products and services can often have dozens of shades of grey. The most important issue is that you, and your client, understand exactly what value you are providing and that you, as the service provider, leverage that understanding to price your services accordingly and leave no doubt in your client&#039;s mind about what they are expecting as the result of your efforts.

And I promise my next post won&#039;t cause any brain cramps!

Thx - Fred]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marjie &#8211; I didn&#8217;t mean to morph your brain into a pretzel (that was clearly NOT my intent). But I appreciate your comments and the issue you raised of services that create things. Like you mentioned above, there are a number of business services (like marketing) that often have very concrete and detailed deliverables that could be considered real, tangible, products &#8211; but they are just the natural outcome of the ideas and creativity (your Professional Expertise) that you are bringing to the table. </p>
<p>What this illustrates is that the line between products and services can often have dozens of shades of grey. The most important issue is that you, and your client, understand exactly what value you are providing and that you, as the service provider, leverage that understanding to price your services accordingly and leave no doubt in your client&#8217;s mind about what they are expecting as the result of your efforts.</p>
<p>And I promise my next post won&#8217;t cause any brain cramps!</p>
<p>Thx &#8211; Fred</p>
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		<title>By: Marjorie Clayman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marjorie Clayman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh man...my brain just became a pretzel!

I only have confusion to add to this discussion. As a marketing firm, we approach our business as a service company - we offer consultation, we research before working on products, we offer advice - things like that. But then our service is also to create things, whether a press release, an e-newsletter, or a new ad. So would those be paid services still, or products? A press release isn&#039;t like a new car - it&#039;s not something you can wrap your hands around *really*. But it&#039;s not really a service either.

Gah. Total brain cramp I&#039;ve never thought about before :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh man&#8230;my brain just became a pretzel!</p>
<p>I only have confusion to add to this discussion. As a marketing firm, we approach our business as a service company &#8211; we offer consultation, we research before working on products, we offer advice &#8211; things like that. But then our service is also to create things, whether a press release, an e-newsletter, or a new ad. So would those be paid services still, or products? A press release isn&#8217;t like a new car &#8211; it&#8217;s not something you can wrap your hands around *really*. But it&#8217;s not really a service either.</p>
<p>Gah. Total brain cramp I&#8217;ve never thought about before <img src="http://fredmcclimans.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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